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EP 06 | Cindy’s Rescue

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In the world of systemic human trafficking, there are major crime syndicates that provide the mechanism and framework for sexual exploitation to take place. In this episode of Until All Are Free, Matt joins Preston and Isaac and shares the story of Cindy, a mother who finds herself stuck halfway around the world in a reality far from what she would have imagined.

Episode Transcript

[00:00:00] Preston: This is Until All Are Free, a podcast by the Exodus Road. I’m your host, Preston Goff. And on this episode, I’m excited to welcome a voice from the other side of the production. Isaac Leigh, our producer. Welcome to the podcast.
[00:00:40] Isaac: Hi, it’s nice to be on this side of the mic.
[00:00:43] Preston: A few weeks back, Isaac and I had the privilege of sitting down with our CEO, Matt Parker, at the Parker’s home in Colorado Springs.
[00:00:50] Hi, we’re here for a podcast. We had the plan to record as many organizational stories as we could. These are stories of encounters with victims of trafficking [00:01:00] and stories of survivor rescues.
[00:01:03] Isaac: Preparing for this time, we knew that the stories that Matt had to share were wildly complex. They featured international crime syndicates alongside ordinary men and women fighting human trafficking on the front- lines of their own neighborhoods and communities in Thailand, India, and Latin America.
[00:01:22] Preston: And it’s this very concept of transnational trafficking that today’s episode is actually focused on. On its face, it’s gonna be tempting to think of the story that you’re about to hear as if it’s a Hollywood movie plot. In fact, it does feature the presence of a mafia, and it includes a chase scene.
[00:01:41] But in reality, this story is far from glamorous. It’s raw, and it’s real. This is the first of many stories that you’re gonna hear from these few days that we spent together at the Parker’s home. So here is the story of Cindy.
[00:01:58] Matt Parker: Yeah. Let me tell Cindy’s story. [00:02:00] Okay. Let’s just, are we ready? Yeah, I’ll just, I’ll just do Cindy’s. So really years ago, maybe, maybe just a year into doing undercover work with law enforcement in Southeast Asia, you know, I was still just learning the streets, and there’s so much that goes into learning, the streets and the marketplaces where people are bought and sold and how they operate.
[00:02:28] But there was a, a particular night, where I was in a major city. And, but part, part of what we were trying to do is bring awareness to the problem. It wasn’t just going undercover. It was how do we share this with the world? And so we would have certain bloggers or influencers that, you know, come along, and I would educate them.
[00:02:51] And I would, I would show them the red-light districts, not really go undercover, but just give them an exposure to the world that is. So that [00:03:00] they could then take that back and, and share that through their platforms. And we were in this major city, and I had an influencer with me, and it was late. And, this particular city we were in has Ugandans who are trafficked.
[00:03:14] And, but they, they come out and work the street around 1:00 AM. to about 6:00 AM. That’s when the Ugandans show up, you know, it’s so bizarre, and that’s part of learning. The streets is, the streets can change from hour to hour, and for whatever reason, the Ugandans would come out around 1:00 AM. Well, it’s kind of street rumored that the Ugandan girls are controlled by the Nigerian mafia, or the Nigerian mafia is a part of the syndicate control mechanism for Ugandans. And I knew that, and, I had worked, this particular area before, but I was really, really tired today. I was really tired on this day, and I’d escorted [00:04:00] this influencer back to her hotel around 1230 in the morning, and I made sure she was safe.
[00:04:05] And then I was walking back to where I was. And I just remember having this overwhelming feeling of exhaustion, you know, having kind of taken these influencers around and and teaching them all day while trying to maintain their safety and physical security. So I’m walking back to my hotel.
[00:04:28] And I’m walking along this stretch of highway where the Ugandans will come out, and sure enough, they were out this particular night, which wasn’t a surprise to me. But in these environments, a lot of times, whether it’s prostitutes, knowing and willing participants in the sex trade, or traffic victims.
[00:04:46] Yeah. They’re all kind of coached on cat-calling, trying to get your attention and make a sale. And, and I’m used to that, but I was so, and normally just, so you guys understand, this is how tired I was… normally I’m friendly to everybody [00:05:00], and I’m kind to everybody, even, even if, of course, I’m not gonna participate in whatever they’re selling.
[00:05:06] I’m. Still trying to be that kind of light in a dark place, even in the most bizarre circumstances. But tonight, I was so tired, it just irritated me. And I was just really ignoring them, which is not like me, but that’s how tired I was. And I, I was walking down this street, you know, first girl cat called, you know, Hey, you know, take me home with you.
[00:05:27] Where are you going? You know, that kind of thing. Second girl cat-called… third girl, for whatever reason, the third or fourth girl. Something just pricked my spirit or my heart, and I just stopped, and I just engaged with her. And you know, of course, she was trying to get me to buy her, but there’s a lot of street sidewalk, bars, pop-up bars in this particular part of the city.
[00:05:56] At least there, there was that this, this was years ago. They don’t do it anymore, but you [00:06:00] could just sit there and have a beer, right on the sidewalk. And I said, Hey, look, you know, I’m not gonna take you home with me, but can I buy you a drink? And she said, yes, sure. And so we sat down and just started to ask her about her day and how she was doing, and what her name was.
[00:06:18] And she said her name was Cindy. And I’m sitting down with her as an investigator. And I knew that a lot of girls that line up on this particular stretch are traffic from Uganda. At least that was the rumor on the street that I’d heard. And so I started to ask her very nonchalantly, you know, Hey Cindy, I, you know, how long have you been here?
[00:06:45] Where are you from? And she says, well, I’m from, she said, Tasmania. I’m like, oh, okay, well I’ve, you know, and I just told her, I’m like, I’ve heard that a lot of girls here on the street are from Uganda. Have you, have you, have you [00:07:00] experienced that? And she’s like, oh no, I don’t. I don’t know anybody from Uganda.
[00:07:03] Oh, okay. So we keep talking and, you know, I think at the beginning she was fairly uncomfortable with me, and I was just trying to kinda break down, break through that barrier. And so I just started to ask her about her family, you know, do you have a husband? Do you have children? And she did. She had a husband. She had kids.
[00:07:23] And, I said, you know, well, how often do you get to go back and visit them? And she said, well, you know, I get to go back every couple of months, and I’m able to talk to them. And, and I just had in my gut. This girl, Cindy, was not telling me the truth.
[00:07:47] Isaac: This is Isaac. I wanna pause this story here for just a second. After we had recorded that first day with Matt, I came away with some questions. Yeah.
[00:07:58] Preston: Yeah. I, I did too. I did too. [00:08:00] What, what were you curious?
[00:08:01] Isaac: I was curious about why Matt chose to ask the questions that he did. He could have asked any number of questions, but he specifically chose to ask her about her family and where she was from.
[00:08:12] I looked at some of the information from the UN. About human trafficking and they have some excellent resources. They have this chart, and we’ll link it on our website, which I think is really helpful in structuring how someone might fall prey to human trafficking. So this chart is divided into three categories, the act, the means, and the purpose. The act of human trafficking
[00:08:37] would include transferring or harboring a person trafficking doesn’t always mean moving someone to another city. You could be trafficked in your own city. The means of trafficking, someone would mean deceiving that person with the promise of a job or actually physically abducting them. It might mean
[00:08:57] threatening them or their family. [00:09:00] And this is all done for a specific purpose, which could be forced labor, could be sexual exploitation, or slavery. In many cases of trafficking, especially transnational situations where a victim ends up being trafficked out of their home country and into another country, they are coerced with the allure of a false promise.
[00:09:20] Preston: So, especially in the countries that the Exodus road is involved in, what we hear often is, well, our, our daughter or this, this victim thought that she or he was accepting a job as, a maid or working at a restaurant, or we’ve even heard things like working in a call center and, These reputable, good opportunities.
[00:09:42] And they turn out to be far from that. And so I think the UN is aware of this and, and the, the chart that we’ve linked on the website is just really helpful in understanding the way that trafficking even takes place.
[00:09:54] Isaac: Yeah, exactly. And, the UN even sort of expands this chart to include, [00:10:00] criminal organizations and syndicates criminal organizations, especially groups with international influence, they can create the F.
[00:10:07] By which each of these steps can occur. They arrange movement for the act via a plane ticket or a boat ride, or they have some sort of vehicle that they can move somebody. And then for the means, they may supply the deception or coercion or threats, and then they control specific segments of a marketplace that they want to fill with those people, those people.
[00:10:30] Preston: Right. So, so then all of this means that there’s, there’s some sort of framework by which. Men and women can be exploited, move from their homes, relocated to a new place, and then managed by that criminal syndicate where they can monitor the movements of that person. Right. Yeah, exactly. So that kind of leads us back to Cindy, like.
[00:10:50] I mean, that makes sense. Why Matt’s asking some of these questions.
[00:10:53] Isaac: Oh yeah. Completely. I mean, it it’s in the two questions that he asks, he can learn a ton [00:11:00] about her situation. So is she allowed to continue to communicate to the people that are most important to her? And if she isn’t, that means there’s obviously some sort of deception that.
[00:11:10] The criminal organization is trying to maintain. Right, right. Because she might tell the truth. She might tell them that there’s something going on here that is out of my control, that I’m being exploited. But if they cut off that communication from her, she obviously couldn’t say that. And then with the other question that he asks, where, where is she from?
[00:11:28] That has more to do with the act? Was there an act of physically moving her from one country to another country? So I also had another question about the Nigerian mafia. That was an organization that I had never heard about before. And Matt kind of brings it up as a street rumor that the Nigerian mafia is controlling Uganda women in Thailand, in Thailand, in Thailand.
[00:11:52] Exactly. Exactly. So I, I wanted to look up some information about the Nigerian mafia just to see sort of what [00:12:00] kind of group this was. And if that was even consistent with sort of what we know about them. I do wanna preface this by saying I am by no means an expert on international criminal syndicates.
[00:12:11] This is just some of the research I found about the Nigerian mafia. The Nigerian mafia is one of many criminal enterprises operating in Thailand. They operate alongside other groups that are primarily Japanese, Chinese, Russian, or Thai criminal syndicates. Nigerian mafia is more of a general term, a catchall.
[00:12:32] That describes several different groups. They’ve been around for a while. Operating internationally since the seventies and eighties, it looks like the Nigerian mafia really began to make headlines a few years ago when they moved into some European cities, specifically Italian cities, right around the time that thousands of Syrian, Afghan and Iraqi refugees were making their way into Europe during the European migrant crisis.
[00:12:58] I don’t have all the [00:13:00] details, obviously, but I, I did find some some trends in the reporting. Right, right. And so what did you find there? It looks like the Nigerian mafia is primarily involved in two rackets. That is the drug trade and prostitution. Thai papers usually publicize their drug busts, and they cite the Nigerian mafia as major movers in the region.
[00:13:21] The stories about human trafficking and prostitution were also pretty extensive, but they mostly focused on the Nigerian mafia moving women into European sex markets rather than sex markets in Thailand. I found major media outlets in the U.S., like NPR and the Washington Post, describe the Nigerian mafia’s involvement in moving women out of Africa and into international sex markets.
[00:13:45] Here’s a quote from the NPR, and I’d like you to read it if if you would. Sure. It’s about a specific group called Black Axe moving women into Italian sex markets. So if you want to just read that quote right there.
[00:13:58] Preston: Yeah. Yeah. So, so it [00:14:00] says, “Victims are often taken to a traditional voodoo or Juju priest before leaving, who makes them swear to remain loyal to the person, helping them leave the country.
[00:14:10] They leave Nigeria by bus and travel in a small group through the desert of Niger and into Libya. For some women, the exploitation starts there where they’re hidden in compounds of African migrants and forced into sex work under threat of violence before being packed into a small boat across the Mediterranean.
[00:14:28] For others, it isn’t until they reach Italy and contact the person who’s supposed to help them find work. That’s when they learn that they owe tens of thousands of euros for the journey and will have to work as sex workers to pay it off.”
[00:14:43] Isaac: Yeah. There is so much that we’ve already sort of described, right.
[00:14:46] That they’re involved in moving women into a different kind of market. There’s a sort of lie or threat – the extortion. Exactly. All of this led me to the place where I felt like I understood why Matt might be [00:15:00] suspicious of the details that Cindy shared with him on the street. This is especially true given Matt’s history with transnational crime syndicates and, specifically, his past encounters with the Nigerian mafia.
[00:15:12] So, before we get back to Cindy’s story, I have another quick segment that I want to share with you. It is another story that Matt told, and I think it might bring some clarity into Cindy’s situation. So here, let’s play that story.
[00:15:30] Matt Parker: One of the things that we’d heard from just rumored on the street was that the Ugandans may be controlled by a Nigerian Mafia. And there’s lots of Nigerian men in Southeast Asia, really involved in illicit drug activity. And, you know, I, I, I just say that from experience, you, you can walk down the street and
[00:15:53] you know, hang out with Nigerian guys that are just loitering really in front of seven [00:16:00] elevens or establishments, and they’re offering drugs to you. You know, it’s just like anything else they know that they’re somewhat being monitored by law enforcement. So they’re gonna sell to foreigners.
[00:16:13] Because, again, it’s beyond their thinking that tourists would be working with law enforcement or know how to do that. And so, the reason I bring that up is one particular situation. We, we were in, I found my myself in, I was undercover in a, in a small town, really known for, sex tourism and, you know, these criminal syndicates.
[00:16:45] One of the mechanisms they have to protect their business is they pay what we call spotters, but they’re individuals that watch the street, they’re on the payroll of the mafia to [00:17:00] protect really as an early warning system, their job
[00:17:05] is to sit and loiter on the outskirts, just on the outskirts of a red light community. [They] basically pick up the phone and call the bar owner or brothel owner if they see law enforcement come. That’s our understanding of their first and primary objective. Their second objective is to identify any threat against the establishment.
[00:17:29] Namely people like me but, but anyone on the street that doesn’t look like they belong. Anyone on the street, who’s behaving oddly,. These spotters are paid to bring notification of that to traffickers. So in this unique situation, I was undercover in a, in a brothel and, we, we wear body-worn covert recording devices, and I can’t tell you exactly where we get it or what we [00:18:00] have, but I can tell you that, that we collect evidence through
[00:18:03] these really small body-worn devices, and I was trying to capture footage of a clear act of sexual abuse that was violating lots of different laws with the intent of taking this evidence to the district attorney’s office. But I just wasn’t, I wasn’t positioned well, you know, trying to capture video evidence with a very small device, you’re wearing it on your body
[00:18:35] and you’re trying to, to, to position yourself in a way that it’s not obvious that you’re filming that that’s a skill, that’s a real. But, where I was seated, it, it, I just, you know, this, this, this illicit activity was happening right in front of me, but I couldn’t quite capture it. So I took a liberty, and I crossed my knee, and I kind of elevated, to capture it.
[00:18:57] And, I was with an undercover [00:19:00] operative. My second. He noticed that a young woman had walked into the establishment and sat down, looked right at me. As I was making this move, she wrote some things down on a notepad and and exited the building. And that was an indicator that I, I, my cover was blown.
[00:19:21] She had seen me do something she did not like, and she was on her way to go report me. That’s what our belief was. Could it have been something else? Sure. You, you, you never know. I mean, but you have to behave with a situational awareness. We have our own early warning indicators of failure, and that was one of them and so
[00:19:43] we have tactics that we engage when we feel blown. We always work in teams of two or more at The Exodus road. And, so we kind of initiated this exfiltration maneuver where I split off from my teammate,[00:20:00] went in a separate direction. And was trying to see if I was followed, and we call that a surveillance detection route, or an SDR.
[00:20:09] And we train for this, cuz if we are being followed, number one, we wanna know… number two, we wanna notify the team and we oftentimes have teams of eight or ten men and women operating in the same environment, not the same establishment, but the same environment. And so we can come to each other’s aid if need be.
[00:20:28] So around the corner, my heart’s beating fast. I know I, I made a mistake and, you know, went into a storefront, and was able to kind of change up my look a little bit and came outta the storefront. I didn’t see anyone following. And I rounded the corner, and I sat down in a McDonald’s and right as I sat down I look at the front door and in walks a Nigerian man.
[00:20:56] And he looks me right in the eyes for a little bit too [00:21:00] long. And he sits down across the restaurant from me, and I’ knew I was in trouble. You know, and it’s just these surreal moments of holy shit, what am I gonna.
[00:21:19] So I woke up other Delta operatives, notified them, and they were en route to my location. And, you know, I’m trying to nonchalantly like read the newspaper, look at my phone or something benign. And I’d ordered a Coke, and I’m just sitting there trying to, to, to be cognizant of this man, this giant guy, through my peripheral vision.
[00:21:44] And he’s just staring at me the whole time, and my heart’s beating, and I’m like, how am I gonna get outta this situation? Because as much as I had activated Delta to come to my aid, [00:22:00] I had figured he probably done the same thing. And so, I’m sitting there just praying, “God, how do I get outta this situation?”
[00:22:10] What am I supposed to do? And right then, I look up and this massive line of Chinese tourists start coming in the, in the front of McDonald’s through the door. And I just instinctly got up. And as they were coming in, I exited. They were between me and the guy that was staring me down. And then I ran an SDR, and, and he wasn’t following me.
[00:22:34] And I, I left the operating environment, and I’m, I’m thankful I was able to, to get out of that. But I think at the end, you know, these are the types of, of control mechanisms that are employed to guard and protect traffic victims or traffic survivors. And it is dangerous.
[00:22:59] Preston: Okay, that [00:23:00] is an unbelievable story.
[00:23:02] And even more so it gives credence right to this notion that the powers that are involved in this systemic process of human trafficking can exert their influence over victims in very powerful ways, especially in sex trafficking destinations like Thailand. So all of this kind of leads me, Isaac, back to our original conversation and really the reason why you brought me into this space today; where do we leave off with Cindy?
[00:23:32] Isaac: Yeah. So let’s go back to Cindy’s story. Matt’s sitting with her on the street and asking her questions. He asked about her family. He asked about where she was from.
[00:23:42] Matt Parker: So I just pulled out my phone and, and I said, “Oh, well, let me show you photos of my kids. In the undercover environment, people ask me if I have kids.
[00:23:52] And I say, “I don’t.” I don’t talk about my personal life at all. We have cover stories that we use [00:24:00], and that’s to protect my own heart because I have to wear a certain mask when I’m undercover. And it’s a totally different persona than my normal daily existence. But for whatever reason, that night was Cindy in my heart; I knew I needed to do that.
[00:24:16] I can’t really explain that. And so I’m showing her photos of my, my kids and telling her how much I miss them. And, and I just said, “Cindy, you know, kids need their mom. You know, I hope you can, you can go home soon.” And man, that was the thing. She teared up, and she looked me in the eyes, and she said, “Matt, I’m so sorry.
[00:24:43] I’ve been lying to you this whole time.” She said, “I’m from Uganda, and I’ve been trafficked. And I, I haven’t seen my kids in about a year. I don’t know how to get home.” She said, [00:25:00] “I took a job knowing that it would be prostitution, but they promised me that I’d be sleeping with executive-level businessmen in really nice hotels.
[00:25:11] And they glamorized, you know, really being a, an escort for wealthy men. But when I arrived here, they took my passport…” Which is such a common story. “They took my passport, and they told me I’d have to walk the street. And they refused to feed me until I would walk the street.” She said, “for the first week, I refused, but I got so hungry.”
[00:25:40] And she said, “I’m sorry, I lied to you. But the trafficker pays men like you – white men – to ask me the same kinds of questions you’ve asked me. And if I try to tell the truth, they beat me up.” [00:26:00] She said, “In fact, they had a law enforcement officer beat me up.” And, and Cindy had a chip. One of her front teeth was chipped.
[00:26:10] And she said it was the result of being beaten by a cop for trying to tell the truth. And so she said, “You see, I, I lied to you, and I’m so sorry, but I, I didn’t know what else to do.” So I just told her, I’m like, “Hey Cindy, I am so sorry about your situation. I, I would love to help you. I have some friends that work here in town, in this city, that, that help girls like you and they can help you get back to Uganda.
[00:26:42] Would you like help?” And she did. So I took her phone number and I, I worked collaboratively with another nonprofit organization. They had an offsite meeting with Cindy. We provided security for that meeting and they were able to, to [00:27:00] get Cindy immediately off the streets and over a period of a few months
[00:27:05] kept her in a safe house, got her a new passport and were, were able to get her back to not only get her back to Uganda, but help her start her own business. And she’s back with her husband and her kids now. But I think what’s remarkable to me about that story is I had walked by three other women…
[00:27:32] because I was really tired…
[00:27:37] and that bothers me because the first three were trafficked too. There’s really… the problem that the world faces in general, the average human faces… is the same problem I still face… even though I should know better. And it’s that we walk [00:28:00] by those who so desperately need us because it’s inconvenient.
[00:28:10] And of course, you know, I have grace for myself. I mean, you know, I don’t walk by everybody, and it’s okay to be fatigued, but in this environment, with this unique problem, well, other problems too… abject poverty… for, for whatever reason, when it feels inconvenient, we, we tend to walk by. But I am thankful that, for whatever reason, Cindy got my attention.
[00:28:43] Isaac: Why do you think that she trusted you? She just trusted you.
[00:28:49] Matt Parker: That’s such a great question. It’s a great question because of the implications for her. Of taking that kind of risk and the courage, it must require, [00:29:00] you know, it’s, it’s a roll of the dice for her. And I think a lot of people don’t understand why a victim of human trafficking, a survivor of human trafficking, would not seek out help.
[00:29:13] Why don’t they just run away? Cause that’s kind of our logical thought, especially as we approach the problem of human trafficking. We’re not responsible at all. It’s someone else’s… it’s her problem. She’s trafficked. She should run away. She should call 9-1-1. These kind of basic things. But what people need to understand is that because of the uniqueness of corruption, both on the law enforcement side, but the way criminal syndicates operate, they’re very smart…
[00:29:45] they know how to keep girls and boys under duress. Some threat. If you try to escape, we will fill-in-[00:30:00] the-blank. And it’s normally not, it, it can be physical harm to that person, but it, it can get way more psychological than that. We’ll go get your sister, and we’ll we’ll rape her, or we’ll make her walk the street since you won’t.
[00:30:19] And these people. these syndicates are violent. They’ll do that to Cindy. I, I have this belief that the thing that tipped the domino for her was when I showed her photos of my kids. It was that vulnerability, that relatability as a parent. But I can only imagine the risk that she took that night, especially after being beaten up for it before.
[00:30:50] And oftentimes, you know, we talk about collaboration and it, that is an instance, an example of where collaboration was critically important. [00:31:00] Every player was instrumental in Cindy’s freedom. The Exodus Road found Cindy, but we didn’t have the knowledge or relationships with the appropriate agencies to get Cindy home.
[00:31:17] And then once Cindy was home, she needed job-skills training, you know? And so each player in a collaborative relationship plays these critical roles. And there’s not really that I know of a, a singular NGO who can do it. Oh, I forgot. So when Cindy was recovered, and she was in the safe house…
[00:31:43] you know, I just felt compelled to see if we couldn’t fix her tooth, you know, that had been knocked out or chipped. And, it just felt like one of those things that was taken away from her. Okay. [00:32:00] And it felt like we needed to give it back. And I feel like that often with people who suffer abuse at the hands of a trafficker, you know, they’re gonna carry these wounds the rest of their life.
[00:32:14] They’ll never fully be restored. They will, they will be shaped forever because of the types of abuse that they’ve endured. However, I’m often shocked at the resilience of the human spirit, these men and women and boys and girls, their ability to overcome blows. But when we have the opportunity to give back something that was taken, if, if it’s within our power to do it, we should do it.
[00:32:49] So we got her tooth fixed.
[00:32:54] Preston: We fixed her tooth. I’m just so struck by the [00:33:00] intentionality of that. That this symbol of trauma that would stare back at Cindy every time she looked in the mirror is now gone. You know, we talk a lot about the role of dignity and restorative justice in the lives of survivors here at The Exodus Road.
[00:33:19] And I think that this is a great example of restored dignity, and that’s not to say that it fixed everything. It doesn’t mean that Cindy suddenly forgot about all the trauma that she had experienced, but it is a beautiful example of a creative way that one step in the journey of her restoration took place.
[00:33:40] Every investigative process and every rescue operation that we’re involved in… every survivor story is different… and they’re each unique. And so Cindy, we’re celebrating your rescue. Your opportunity for new life.[00:34:00]
[00:34:05] Thanks for joining us on this episode of Until All Are Free. If you’ve been listening and have begun to wonder how you can take part– how you can join us in this fight against human trafficking – I wanna make you aware of our Search and Rescue community. The Search and Rescue community is filled with people just like you who are committed to empowering rescue…
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[00:34:55] The podcast is hosted by me, Preston Goff, and produced by Isaac Leigh. [00:35:00] Our internal themes and mastering are produced by Lucas Leigh, and the music you’ve heard in the intro and outro of this episode was produced and generously donated by City of Sound. We’re working hard on new episodes of Until All Are Free, and they’ll be released soon.
[00:35:13] You can expect compelling stories from the front lines of human trafficking rescue; conversations with people just like you, who illustrate what it means to live as if justice is in the hands of the ordinary; interviews with our founders, Matt and Laura Parker; and representative stories inspired by the experiences of real survivors that The Exodus Road has rescued.
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